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2010 Feb 24 18:43:23 <stf> wow. i2p address. kool. wanna have such.
2010 Feb 24 18:43:35 <stf> is there a nice howto somewhere?
2010 Feb 24 18:44:29 <jaywalk> i wrote one some time ago but it isnt up to date
2010 Feb 24 18:44:40 <jaywalk> if you have i2p running its fairly easy though
2010 Feb 24 18:45:00 <jaywalk> the only thing besides the normal handling of i2p is adding a local tunnel to irc.telecomix.i2p
2010 Feb 24 18:48:48 <stf> ah, so you need support at the ircd host?
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2010 Feb 24 18:59:53 <ehj> hi guys
2010 Feb 24 19:00:07 <stf> hi, i need 5-8 minutes.
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2010 Feb 24 19:00:56 <juice> hullo
2010 Feb 24 19:01:02 <ehj> hola
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2010 Feb 24 19:01:16 <ehj> HELO
2010 Feb 24 19:02:51 <peterlj> hej
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2010 Feb 24 19:03:03 <ehj> hej peterlj juice jaywalk stf
2010 Feb 24 19:03:03 <ehj> Hey PiJi` !
2010 Feb 24 19:03:03 <PiJi`> hey ehj :)
2010 Feb 24 19:03:03 <ehj> stef needed a couple of minutes
2010 Feb 24 19:03:20 <ehj> jaywalk, are you logging?
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2010 Feb 24 19:05:31 <ehj> so we are a couple of new pippies (but old on telekompaketet)
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2010 Feb 24 19:06:08 <ehj> juice, Christian hälsar!! :-)
2010 Feb 24 19:06:27 <ehj> juice, han står här och försöker prata om patent :-)
2010 Feb 24 19:06:41 <juice> hälsa tillbaka :-) mors, christian!
2010 Feb 24 19:07:23 <stf> re
2010 Feb 24 19:07:49 <ehj> hi stf
2010 Feb 24 19:08:23 <ehj> I don't have much more news than I've mailed before
2010 Feb 24 19:09:06 <ehj> I have showed the IPRED1 xpippi and the korea/IPRED1 pippi to MEPs and assistants
2010 Feb 24 19:09:34 <stf> ok i can do a short update
2010 Feb 24 19:09:34 <ehj> people are very impressed
2010 Feb 24 19:09:46 <ehj> that wouldl be great stf
2010 Feb 24 19:10:10 <stf> since the last meeting scalability became a probelm.
2010 Feb 24 19:10:30 <stf> so i added a database, mysql for now, but this is abstracted away. so we can switch anytime
2010 Feb 24 19:10:47 <juice> excellent.
2010 Feb 24 19:10:47 <juice> you need an index. in some form.
2010 Feb 24 19:10:48 <jaywalk> ehj: yes
2010 Feb 24 19:11:04 <juice> if there's an index, we can process that index to include e.g. synonymy and near matches.
2010 Feb 24 19:11:27 <stf> ah, btw the current solution is in python/django - so we could run all this on the google appengine, for much less costs.
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2010 Feb 24 19:12:04 <ehj> stf, you mean google would do the processing somehow?
2010 Feb 24 19:12:04 <stf> the other thing that turned out, that the current pippi algo from pythons distutils was buggy
2010 Feb 24 19:12:08 <xor> but i really need to focus on building the online shop, i will come back to this project later :)
2010 Feb 24 19:12:49 <juice> @ehj you can rent time from the google computing cluster.
2010 Feb 24 19:12:59 <stf> so i looked for another solution. suffix-trees with ukkonens algorithm, are O(n) and take some 10-20x the memory. which is enough, since the biggest text we have is about 30KB, except for cariforum
2010 Feb 24 19:13:32 <stf> so now we have a very fast algo for computing pippies.
2010 Feb 24 19:13:44 <stf> and a proper db abstraction for storing them.
2010 Feb 24 19:14:02 <ehj> cariforum is a trade agreement with tons of tables, it can be stripped from tables and other non legislative stuff
2010 Feb 24 19:14:02 <stf> juice: is this an index?
2010 Feb 24 19:14:10 <juice> that would be an index, fine!
2010 Feb 24 19:14:19 <stf> ehj: i know.
2010 Feb 24 19:14:36 <juice> what i mean by index is any data structure where the items we look for are stored outside the original texts.
2010 Feb 24 19:14:47 <juice> that would mean we don't need to scan all texts at search time.
2010 Feb 24 19:14:47 <stf> ah. ok. that's it then.
2010 Feb 24 19:15:07 <juice> suffix trees are a perfectly good index format. (also, i know ukkonen, he's a nice fellow :-)
2010 Feb 24 19:15:30 <juice> i want there to be an index, bc then one can fool around with it.
2010 Feb 24 19:15:30 <stf> big thx to him! ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:15:55 <stf> unfortunately i do not store the index in the db, only the pippies.
2010 Feb 24 19:16:28 <juice> it's still an index. an index of pippies.
2010 Feb 24 19:16:28 <ehj> I'll meet google lobbyists on Thursday, I can ask for a CPU discount :-)
2010 Feb 24 19:16:29 <stf> how would i store a suffix-tree in a db?
2010 Feb 24 19:16:33 <stf> ok, i guess we're getting too technical. let's back up. ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:16:45 <juice> the point of an index is that it doesn't need to carry everything. there can be heuristics for not putting everything in.
2010 Feb 24 19:16:47 <stf> ehj: that would be excellent!
2010 Feb 24 19:17:21 <stf> if we do this right, we could migrate all this from callisto, and run this on the google appengine, which according to a friend of mine would cost us about 2 dollars?
2010 Feb 24 19:17:43 <ehj> no problem getting technical :-) I think it's necessary so that we can know what needs to be done and how people can help
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2010 Feb 24 19:18:22 <jaywalk> im afk working with the server replacing callisto :)
2010 Feb 24 19:18:30 <stf> i do not remember fully the context, but he mentioned 2 dollars for a couple of days of calculation...
2010 Feb 24 19:18:30 <ehj> OK, I'll ask tomorrow, but I think I need a link to the offer
2010 Feb 24 19:18:51 <stf> jaywalk: if you're afk, how you're ircing?
2010 Feb 24 19:18:56 <ehj> hey kattla !!
2010 Feb 24 19:19:00 <kattla> hey
2010 Feb 24 19:19:04 <jaywalk> ok, on another keyboard just switching to this one
2010 Feb 24 19:19:05 <stf> hey
2010 Feb 24 19:19:13 <jaywalk> so im double at keyboard i guess :)
2010 Feb 24 19:19:38 <stf> :P
2010 Feb 24 19:19:57 <ehj> stf, how big is pippi's corpus now?
2010 Feb 24 19:20:32 <ehj> or am I thinking in the wrong terms?
2010 Feb 24 19:20:38 <stf> we have downloaded all of 2010 january. that's about 15K documents in at most 23 languages.
2010 Feb 24 19:20:45 <stf> english is about 300MB
2010 Feb 24 19:20:52 <jaywalk> stf: we'll have this cpu (xeon x3450) 24/7 when i get this BMC/idrac running and the server to its colocation :)
2010 Feb 24 19:20:52 <stf> and 11K docs.
2010 Feb 24 19:21:00 <stf> 4K docs do not seem to be available in en
2010 Feb 24 19:21:01 <jaywalk> itll do some other stuff too but nothing else cpu intensive
2010 Feb 24 19:21:16 <stf> koool
2010 Feb 24 19:21:34 <stf> is it in some cold place? you can expect to heat with it. ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:21:58 <stf> i expect to have the new suffix-tree algorithm running on callisto in the next few days.
2010 Feb 24 19:22:40 <jaywalk> :) that wont be a problem
2010 Feb 24 19:23:17 <stf> i already generated a list of all combinations of all english documents, that's app 6.6million comparisons. i stored these as pairs/line in a simple textfile, which is 3.6GB big. :)
2010 Feb 24 19:23:59 <stf> that's only the list of calculations to be done. ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:23:59 <ehj> omg
2010 Feb 24 19:23:59 <juice> @stf once you have the suffix tree running, this means you can access the documents given any string, rt?
2010 Feb 24 19:24:05 <juice> the point is, you won't need all comparisons. we can have heuristics to prune that set radically.
2010 Feb 24 19:24:34 <stf> the keys i use are list of stems having more than one item.
2010 Feb 24 19:24:42 <stf> i'll give you an example
2010 Feb 24 19:27:51 <stf> we organized a central european hackerspace party on the weekend. and some director from OSI was also attending.
2010 Feb 24 19:28:11 <stf> after seeing my presentation about pippy, he approached me and said we should apply with this to them.
2010 Feb 24 19:28:52 <ehj> YES!
2010 Feb 24 19:29:32 <ehj> I know some of the OSI people here in Brussels. I know there has been interest in projects to increase transparency in EU lawmaking before.
2010 Feb 24 19:29:41 <stf> he also set me up with Helen Darbishire from access-info.org an access to information activist.
2010 Feb 24 19:29:53 <ehj> perfect!
2010 Feb 24 19:31:17 <stf> also there were about 60 hardcore hackers listening to my talk, maybe some of them will consider joining us. ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:32:03 <ehj> I'll try to get some cheap google CPU and talk to the OSI office here to get a hint on how to apply for a project with them.
2010 Feb 24 19:32:22 <ehj> Is there anything else you'd need stef?
2010 Feb 24 19:33:05 <stf> i have already a project at one of osi's programmes: http://cee.mysociety.org/cfp/2009/11/metadata-gov-hu/
2010 Feb 24 19:33:18 <stf> but this is only for CE focused sites.
2010 Feb 24 19:33:23 <stf> i mean the osi program.
2010 Feb 24 19:33:51 <stf> either we say that pippi is for the hungarian legislation. which i guess is much more boring, than the swedish or the german. ;)
2010 Feb 24 19:34:07 <stf> or we find some other way to get support from osi
2010 Feb 24 19:34:24 <stf> myself, i only need more time to invest into this thing.
2010 Feb 24 19:34:47 <stf> maybe someone, who helps adapting the code to the appengine.
2010 Feb 24 19:35:45 <stf> if i am able to finish the transition/testing to the suffix-tree algo and the db engine we'll have the basic pippi and xpippy functionality back.
2010 Feb 24 19:36:01 <ehj> you still have all the code at git?
2010 Feb 24 19:36:12 <stf> ehj: almost
2010 Feb 24 19:36:42 <stf> the db migration is already there, but i haven't pushed the suffix-tree changes. since i mixed those up, with some other ideas i was pursuing, and i need to separate the code yet.
2010 Feb 24 19:37:14 <juice> @stf i'd like to see that the db is accessible for other calls - i'd like to be able to provide some analyses there. i guess peterlj would be in on it as well.
2010 Feb 24 19:38:02 <ehj> the db is on callisto, right?
2010 Feb 24 19:38:17 <stf> for the processing of the corpus i want to first to our cancor+TA+eurovoc corpus. and then add all the other documents to the db.
2010 Feb 24 19:38:17 <peterlj> yes, it would be cool if we could have a distributed effort on this
2010 Feb 24 19:38:27 <stf> juice: \o/
2010 Feb 24 19:40:10 <stf> although i am a complete noob at datamining, i believe this is the most fun part, i supppose you guys have much more experience with this so go ahead, but please let me learn, ok?
2010 Feb 24 19:40:46 <ehj> "cancor+TA+eurovoc corpus"= the Canada and Korea agreements, a bunch of other Trade Agreements and "eurovoc" is a bunch of CELEX numbers I put together one late night a couple of weeks ago (selection is based on eur-lex key word search, so it can be a bit random))
2010 Feb 24 19:41:28 <stf> after the cankor+ta+eurovoc db is ready i can run the calculation for all 6.6million docs in the background, since locking parallel access will be handled by the db.
2010 Feb 24 19:41:41 <ehj> awesome...
2010 Feb 24 19:42:01 <stf> ergo we can query the application, and as time progresses, we'll have more and more data in it.
2010 Feb 24 19:42:41 <stf> the only problem will be reordering a textfile with 6.6milliion lines, if we want to priorize somehow...
2010 Feb 24 19:43:03 <juice> again, we don't need to do all those comparisons.
2010 Feb 24 19:43:16 <juice> there are many ways of reducing that number of potential items.
2010 Feb 24 19:43:34 <juice> e.g. occurrence statistics. every pair is not as likely to be worth mining.
2010 Feb 24 19:43:44 <jaywalk> fully afk now, sorry for not participating today
2010 Feb 24 19:43:54 <jaywalk> will read backlog and send logs to ehj
2010 Feb 24 19:43:54 <stf> i was thinging about a suffix-tree for all 300MB of english legislation. how cool would that be?
2010 Feb 24 19:43:56 <jaywalk> bbl
2010 Feb 24 19:44:17 <stf> but i agree with juice
2010 Feb 24 19:44:41 <stf> i have already seen a lot of pairs and triplets that are very meaningful and some that are complete generalism.
2010 Feb 24 19:45:04 <ehj> I have seen that too
2010 Feb 24 19:46:11 <stf> maybe we should start somehow to collect the more interesting tidbits.
2010 Feb 24 19:46:21 <stf> oh. we had already that idea.
2010 Feb 24 19:46:37 <stf> show a random sequence to a user, and let him tag and score it.
2010 Feb 24 19:46:56 <stf> random pippi of course
2010 Feb 24 19:47:29 <stf> like ehj tagged the IPRED pippi already a couple of times in his mails.
2010 Feb 24 19:47:44 <ehj> yes, I wasn thinking of that too, but what about using new docs input into pippi as a "ranker"?
2010 Feb 24 19:48:15 <stf> how do you mean?
2010 Feb 24 19:48:36 <juice> so you mean new documents provide an indication of which pippies are most interesting?
2010 Feb 24 19:48:57 <ehj> I can imagine that I (and others) woudl like to see if a new position paper from BSA quotes from some EU document.
2010 Feb 24 19:49:31 <ehj> So I woudl like to submit it to Pippi and see what can be found
2010 Feb 24 19:49:37 <ehj> and then I could be asked to ask to rank the result
2010 Feb 24 19:50:12 <stf> \o/
2010 Feb 24 19:50:24 <stf> +1
2010 Feb 24 19:50:24 <ehj> so we need a way to submit whatever format document and clean it...
2010 Feb 24 19:50:46 <ehj> that should be an quite easy and separate project, no?
2010 Feb 24 19:51:16 <ehj> just have to decide the standard format pippi needs, right?
2010 Feb 24 19:52:07 <stf> this is trivial.
2010 Feb 24 19:52:25 <ehj> then there is also the useability issue to have the service to see the context of the longstrings (as I did on the wiki-diffs, and stef did with some early greasemonkey experiment) of
2010 Feb 24 19:52:36 <stf> you just copy/paste the text (how ironic, isn't it?) into a textareafield in the webapplication
2010 Feb 24 19:52:41 <ehj> fine :-)
2010 Feb 24 19:53:27 <stf> we'll have such a textarea entry soon.
2010 Feb 24 19:53:36 <ehj> cool!
2010 Feb 24 19:55:20 <stf> as i said that's trivial, i just focused on eur-lex until now
2010 Feb 24 19:55:39 <ehj> yes of course
2010 Feb 24 19:55:39 <ehj> ok, we have soon had an hour of a meeting
2010 Feb 24 19:55:39 <stf> btw you can see the database structure here: http://github.com/stef/le-n-x/blob/master/view/models.py
2010 Feb 24 19:55:58 <stf> you mean we should have a break?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:13 <juice> i'll look at that db structure to see how to use it later. @peterlj, when're you in sthlm next?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <ehj> stf, I think we can wrap it up for now. I have my google CPU and OSI applications missions :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <stf> juice it is really ugly btw. i store the pippi in Frag as a stringified python tuple of wordstems. and store the concrete matching text in the Location class, also as a stringified python tuple
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <stf> ok, what about dmitris?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <ehj> I didn't see him here
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <stf> how can they help?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <peterlj> @juice in a few weeks
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <ehj> stf, I don't know yet, I'll have to ask him again.
2010 Feb 24 20:01:21 <stf> ehj: we'll have a copyright conference by osi in budapest on april 10.
2010 Feb 24 20:01:31 <juice> ok - @peterlj and myself will meet when we can and discuss some funky additions given a database of pippies, whatever aesthetic level its implementation holds.
2010 Feb 24 20:01:31 <ehj> are you there?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:31 <stf> they do not really have a concept yet. i am advising them. want to use me?
2010 Feb 24 20:01:37 <ehj> yes yes yes!!!
2010 Feb 24 20:02:50 <stf> use me.
2010 Feb 24 20:02:50 <stf> :)
2010 Feb 24 20:03:08 <ehj> Are you invited?
2010 Feb 24 20:03:08 <stf> sure.
2010 Feb 24 20:03:18 <stf> since they have no concept yet, i am simply there, no role yet.
2010 Feb 24 20:04:13 <stf> but i hope to remain an advisor. i do not like public. im a geek. i like it in my basement. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:04:13 <ehj> Ok, we should talk to Joe McNamee who is coordinator for EDRi here in Bxl.
2010 Feb 24 20:04:45 <stf> edri is not really about copyright. is it?
2010 Feb 24 20:04:45 <stf> afaik. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:04:45 <ehj> and april 10 looks like a date I could make!
2010 Feb 24 20:05:30 <ehj> Well I guess OSI is interested in "copyright on the internet", no?
2010 Feb 24 20:05:30 <stf> that's the spirit mate. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:06:02 <ehj> :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:06:54 <stf> ok. i will be also working on getting the FCForum guys to budapest, it would be cool to have an interim workshop with them as well on the next version of the barcelona charter...
2010 Feb 24 20:07:11 <ehj> that's the spirit mate. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:07:37 <stf> how important is currently whether pippy is running atm?
2010 Feb 24 20:07:37 <stf> i mean on callisto?
2010 Feb 24 20:07:45 <stf> how often do you use it?
2010 Feb 24 20:07:56 <stf> or have you everything cached?
2010 Feb 24 20:08:16 <ehj> jaywalk is moving callisto and some other servers at gandi to a new machine in sweden
2010 Feb 24 20:08:47 <stf> would it matter if i shutdown the webapplication, for a couple of days?
2010 Feb 24 20:08:58 <ehj> no, you decide what needs to be done
2010 Feb 24 20:09:36 <ehj> I have made copies of the pippi output, so I don't send users to your interface
2010 Feb 24 20:09:56 <ehj> but just show static html
2010 Feb 24 20:10:23 <stf> ok. i will then shut down the old 2GigaRAMeating monster, and replace it in the next days with hopefully much leaner version.
2010 Feb 24 20:10:23 <ehj> so I don't think there are any users who will miss the web interface
2010 Feb 24 20:10:31 <stf> ehj: i saw your mails.
2010 Feb 24 20:11:27 <stf> btw here is an example of a pippi now in the db: ((('necessary',), ('measures', 'measure'), ('to',)), ([5549], [12517])),
2010 Feb 24 20:12:17 <stf> ('measures', 'measure') is a stem, where the stemmer couldn't decide which stem to use, so multiple stems are listed.
2010 Feb 24 20:12:41 <ehj> ahh... but the offset 12517?
2010 Feb 24 20:12:48 <stf> kinda like a wildcard.
2010 Feb 24 20:13:29 <juice> i think that db can be used. my point is i'll try to identify synonyms for a) the entire pippi, b) its components.
2010 Feb 24 20:13:35 <stf> yes the ofset is also counted in such stems. but () only counts as one, indefferently of how many versions of a stem are listed inside the brackets.
2010 Feb 24 20:13:51 <juice> so given a pippi - find other pippis that are like it, meaning they occur in similar contexts.
2010 Feb 24 20:14:10 <stf> so we have also semantic links between documents...
2010 Feb 24 20:14:35 <juice> or given a pippi, expand one of the bits in it to see if other similar pippis are around - e.g. make "necessary" above also potentially like "obligatory"
2010 Feb 24 20:16:53 <ehj> woha... now we're in outer word space :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:17:23 <juice> yes - word orbit! way out there with pluto!
2010 Feb 24 20:17:28 <TwelvE> btw guys, great job you are doing I must say
2010 Feb 24 20:17:43 <stf> currently that would mean to query the string from the db, evaluate it as a python tuple, and then somehow wildcard the neccessary/oblig stem.
2010 Feb 24 20:17:57 <ehj> TwelvE, stef is the hacker hero here :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:18:00 <stf> TwelvE: thx.
2010 Feb 24 20:18:30 <TwelvE> I understand the basic idea but not the technics behind :-P
2010 Feb 24 20:18:38 <stf> ehj: i wish i would be. there are much greater minds than me, they're just all occupied with greater things... ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:19:38 <stf> it took me more than a week to understand suffix trees, and implement pippi using them.
2010 Feb 24 20:20:18 <ehj> juice, I still think verbatim quotes are interesting as such, particularly if you would xpippi all EU law with all Swedsih law. That comparison could give you insights into the legislative apparatus (maybe).
2010 Feb 24 20:21:04 <stf> you mean they're not doing squat? just transliterating everything. so no lawyers fees just translators fees are justified?
2010 Feb 24 20:21:13 <juice> yes, verbatim is always more important than wildcarded ones! wildcarding or relaxing the verbatim requirement will increase recall, but our precision will suffer. much more noise.
2010 Feb 24 20:21:36 <ehj> some countries might put some pride in exchanging "necessary" with "obligatory", just to pretend they are independent :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:21:49 <stf> :)))))
2010 Feb 24 20:21:49 <stf> lol
2010 Feb 24 20:23:15 <ehj> and if a synonym is changing the effective meaning of the law, the Commission could sue that synonym to hell :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:23:47 <ehj> (that would never happen, but theoretically)
2010 Feb 24 20:24:15 <stf> then it's not a synonym i guess?
2010 Feb 24 20:24:43 <juice> well - all legal texts have *equal* validity in courts of law, in theory.
2010 Feb 24 20:25:13 <ehj> yes, that's my point
2010 Feb 24 20:25:13 <ehj> so there is a "force" in the pippies
2010 Feb 24 20:25:13 <juice> meaning that, again in theory, if i find that the greek wording of some bit of eu law would be useful for me i could select that interpretation, in theory
2010 Feb 24 20:25:24 <stf> kool!
2010 Feb 24 20:26:08 <ehj> we're going to make sooo many lawyers unempolyed :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:26:08 <stf> btw with our slovak friends we're running a test of how european country administrations accept each other countries national certificat authorities signatures.
2010 Feb 24 20:26:30 <TwelvE> ehj: Competition :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:26:30 <stf> ehj: gogogogo!!!!!
2010 Feb 24 20:27:14 <stf> i apply for a slovak certificate, and sign my hungarian tax report with it. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:27:14 <stf> but i hope to get a swedish cert as well. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:27:45 <stf> this is regulation since a couple of days.
2010 Feb 24 20:27:45 <ehj> oh... we're already there?
2010 Feb 24 20:27:45 <ehj> is it a EU regulation?
2010 Feb 24 20:28:07 <stf> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:299:0018:0054:EN:PDF
2010 Feb 24 20:28:07 <stf> :)
2010 Feb 24 20:28:27 <ehj> wow!
2010 Feb 24 20:28:27 <stf> seems to me, it's in the OJ.
2010 Feb 24 20:29:30 <ehj> yep
2010 Feb 24 20:29:30 <stf> wanna help test this?
2010 Feb 24 20:29:30 <ehj> no, I have to let that pass
2010 Feb 24 20:30:18 <ehj> hey, 1h30 minutes meeting!!
2010 Feb 24 20:30:18 <TwelvE> What is that text about? I saw about x509 certs in it
2010 Feb 24 20:30:41 <ehj> I'm wrapping up. Thanks a lot for coming.
2010 Feb 24 20:30:41 <stf> just one more url for you:
2010 Feb 24 20:30:41 <stf> http://stef.soup.io/
2010 Feb 24 20:31:18 <stf> here i collected some reactions, vids and pix from our hackerspace party over the weekend. have look
2010 Feb 24 20:31:18 <stf> yep. thanks for comming. :)
2010 Feb 24 20:31:26 <juice> thank you everyone! this looks to be fun!
2010 Feb 24 20:31:47 <ehj> stf, awesome soup!
2010 Feb 24 20:31:59 <stf> :) thx.
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2010 Feb 24 20:32:15 <ehj> stf, let us know when you're running the new pippi!
2010 Feb 24 20:32:28 <stf> i will
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <ehj> good :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <stf> if it is online who else is going to use it?
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <stf> you're my only users. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <ehj> :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <stf> would be stupid not to tell you
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <ehj> <3<3<3<3
2010 Feb 24 20:34:14 <ehj> I'll check out 10 april
2010 Feb 24 20:34:18 <stf> oh. you see my soup?
2010 Feb 24 20:34:18 <stf> how?
2010 Feb 24 20:34:18 <stf> i just remembered, it should be private...
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <ehj> no, it was closed: "
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <ehj> The owner of this soup does not allow people other than friends to view this page."
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <stf> but here you can see all my soup ingredients:
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <stf> http://hack.soup.io/planet
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <stf> this is our spaces soup, where my private items are publicly displayed.
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <stf> you only need to go down till feb 20, the party was then.
2010 Feb 24 20:35:54 <stf> if you have an own soup, i would be honored to have you as a friend there, giving you direct access to some hiQ content - everything i do.
2010 Feb 24 20:36:51 <juice> i have no soup but will look into it. kiraly!
2010 Feb 24 20:38:02 <stf> juice: you know some very important hungarian words. :)
2010 Feb 24 20:39:21 <juice> i don't know about important, but central. everytime i ordered a beer when i visited a bar in budapest the barman kept calling me king so i kept on ordering.
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <stf> :)
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <stf> lol
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <ehj> speaking of beer, I need some, and some food with it!
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <stf> meee to
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <ehj> have a nice evening, see you later
2010 Feb 24 20:40:29 <stf> homer no function well beer without
2010 Feb 24 20:40:33 <ehj> :-)
2010 Feb 24 20:40:33 <ehj> bye
2010 Feb 24 20:40:33 <stf> to quote mr Simpson. ;)
2010 Feb 24 20:40:37 <stf> cheeers.
2010 Feb 24 20:45:04 <stf> but the bartender didn't just call you that. otherwise how do you know it's written with an ly at the end?
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